Ken Fisher Admits Being Wrong
In his September 1st column titled "Five Blue Chips," which was posted today on Forbes.Com, Ken Fisher admits that we have been in a bear market since November 2007 and that he did not anticipate the fall. I quote: "The stock market's drop since last November is enough to qualify it as a bear market... Wrongly, I've been upbeat throughout... This is the first time I haven't anticipated the fall... I hate that... I also admit confusion."
Ken isn't it also time to admit that you and Fisher Investments were wrong to sue me over this article?
And while you are at it, why not admit that Fisher Investments was wrong to threaten Frances Campbell with legal action? You may recall, she is the retired 73 year old, who posted about you decimating her ROTH IRA. She said you lost her over 20% in under a year, is that right, Ken? I bet you don't remember, there are just so many of us, little people, over 20,000, you say... Well, let me jog your memory a bit. Frances posted in response to yet another of your ridiculously optimistic articles on your friend Steve's site a few months back... Yes, that's right, Steve Forbes, aha.
Ken, do you remember the time (it was not so long ago) when people could post in response to your articles at "Steve's", just like they still can for other authors there? Oh, those were the days - good times, weren't they? And then, suddenly... the market turned bearish, so more and more people came out of the woodwork that didn't have such wonderful things to say about Ken and Fisher.
You asked Steve to watch out for all us party poopers and remove our posts expeditiously, lest potential FI clients see all that negativity... and to make sure we don't come back, FI threatened some of us with frivolous defamation suits. (Who would ever dare to fight a billionaire in courts? After all, he has unlimited resources!) Well, that wave of negativity must have quickly turned into a major flood. Steve's little helpers could no longer keep up. You had Steve turn off comments to your articles all together, didn't you? You do remember all that, right?
Well, it doesn't matter if you remember, really. You don't have to remember me, Frances Campbell, Eileen Findlay, or any of the others. After all, we are just little people for billionaires like you to trample all over on their way to world domination, aren't we?!
I do have one more question for you, Ken. Borrowing from your latest book "The Only Three Questions That Count." (You don't mind, do you?) Wasn't this your last question: "What the heck is your brain doing to blindside you?" Perhaps, it is time for you to sit down and give that question some serious consideration - meditate on it, mediate on it, arbitrate on it, litigate on it...
Update (8/28/08): I have just learned that Fisher Investments in their termination letter to Frances dispute her claims that they lost her money. I have no way to verify which is correct.
Fisher Investments related links
The posters on this website, will especially enjoy the bentley.edu/career response. I wasn't sure if the kid (a.k.a - Fisher VP) was being interviewed for college credits, or for a high school exam.
http://www.marketminder.com/financial-commentary/Default.aspx
http://portland.bizjournals.com/portland/stories/2008/06/16/story5.html
http://www.bentley.edu/career-services/documents/Final_Michael_Bellody.doc
http://www.oregonlive.com/business/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/business/121514
http://www.columbian.com/article/20081112/BIZ01/711129972/-1/ARCHIVES
FI lied to clients
I think Fisher Investments is open to a lawsuits/censorship for the following reasons:
1. The firm aggressively targets retirees. The sales process is high pressure, mainly with elderly folks. The main promise is pulling you out of the market if it goes down, which they clearly didn't do. I'm sure if you look at sales materials advertising them beating the market through 2008 significantly, and they are probably still using these on unsuspecting victims, using culled time periods in 2007. There is no disclosure of real performance, but check PURIX if you want an idea.
2. As several posters commented, they could not control their own assets at the firm. What they don't realize is the "investment councilors" they are talking to on the phone are trained monkeys, they have no ability to control your portfolio at all. They just answer the phone and regurgitate party lines. They can't buy or sell, or do anything for you. Your funds are run just like the piece of crap mutual fund, PURIX. But they charge you a much higher management fee.
3. NEVER INVEST with this firm. I had my funds in Schwab, and just sold (index funds) when I got uncomfortable, saving to date over 25% of the slide. That sounds like it basically costs you a lawsuit if you are at Fisher.
4. The employees of the firm are offered "equity" investment. And if they leave within 5 years, they loose all their own investment. Not the gains, but the whole investment. That has to be illegal.
5. The lawsuits posted on this site against Jake and Eileen are disgusting and totally in character of this slimeball outfit.
Not exactly a legal brief, but if there was ever a use for a bulldog attorney and a class action suit it ought to be against Fisher Investments.
Fisher's Roads to Riches
Just over a month ago, on October 20, 2008, Fisher Investments Press released a new 272 page hardcover book by Ken Fisher and Lara Hoffmans, "The Ten Roads to Riches: The Ways the Wealthy Got There (And How You Can Too!)".
I am too cheap to send Amazon $16.47 for Ken's new book and Ken is too upset with my previous writings about his business, which he claims to be defamatory, to send me a complimentary copy for review. Thus, I had to rely on another reviewer for the following gem of a quote.
According to Alexander Green of Contrarian Profits, Ken Fisher in this new book, paints plaintiff's lawyers not as crusading saviors, but as "bloodsucking leeches and extortion artists" who steal money, legally. You can read the rest of Mr. Green's review here.
I applaud Mr. Fisher on using his high profile book for admitting the true motivation (money) and modus operandi (extortion) that his attorneys are using in their fight to cleanse the web of any "undesirable" references to Fisher Investments. I propose that Mr. Fisher go one step further by firing his band of legalized mobsters, who have been after me since February 2008.
I further hope that Mr. Frank (the self-proclaimed "Sicilian") Pitre of Cotchett, Pitre & McCarthy and his band of "leeches" takes a long hard look at their prominent client's above stated mission for plaintiff attorneys. On the other hand, I can only imagine what other clients this "Sicilian" has...
P.S. Hey, Ken, do you think it is time for you to get back to your original "Road to Riches" - managing other people’s money, or is that a dead end road now?
Fisher's article in UK investment website
http://iball.iii.co.uk/2008/02/15/iball-interviews-ken-fisher/#comment-11706
This article was published February, 2008. You will especially enjoy his last paragraph regarding investing in AIG!!! Way to go Ken!!!!
Ken Fisher's iBall Interview
Thanks for posting a link to the iBall Ken Fisher interview. I was thoroughly entertained by the drop-dead-gorgeous "Russian" blond making Ken feel noticeably uncomfortable, as she was conducting the interview in British English. The contrived atmosphere of Ken's London office, his failed attempts at making rehearsed humor appear spontaneous and his contrived smirky smile did not help to hide this obvious discomfort.
I thought that the real gem came early on in this interview, when Ken talked about "these people, who engage in rogue activities, who do terrible things, people inherently self-interested."
The quote about AIG that you are speaking about originally came from Ken Fisher's January Forbes column here. I have seen it repeated elsewhere several times after that, but it was not a part of the iBall interview.
Ken Fisher - threatening legal action
I just had to return to the website, because yesterday my husband received a call from our "initial financial analyst" with Fisher Investments in May 2007....Dan Sinton, now promoted to "research" - tells my husband that if I don't stop posting erroneous and untrue comments about Fisher Investments on blog websites they will sue me!! Dan said, we are asking you to "cease and desist". I think Dan was a little embarrassed. By the way the Editor of Forbes website blog, Rich Kaarlgard has an interesting email from someone who says that Fisher Investments recently laid off a bunch of workers - 35 or so I think, without telling the fired employees that they had hired another bunch of workers to replace them...cheaper and younger no doubt and that Fisher's portfolio had dropped 35%. Go to Gurufocus.com and you will see his portfolio is down over 51%!!!
So Ken Fisher likes to sue the little guys who complain about his crappy investment management company losing our life savings...do you think he'd be doing this with his multi-million dollar clients? Niet!! I'm sure many of us have lost a bundle with Fisher and don't have the money to bring class action suits, (maybe he's counting on it) but I'm up for the challenge.
Fisher Investments - Think Again, Eileen
Fisher Investments has at least 4 attorneys and a paralegal working on their defamation case against me. One of the attorneys is a named partner of one of the top securities law firms. The sleazeball attorneys have no problems twisting facts and words around. By the time they are done with you, it will not matter whether you defamed them, because you will probably be bankrupt. It has been a very tough 8 months for me... I thought you should know, before you decide to become a suicidal martyr in the war against Fisher. Are you trully "up for the challenge?"
Sue Fisher sales reps
Today I got to thinking....who do we blame for encouraging and promoting investors to buy into Fisher Investments...why none other than Fisher's sales reps, who are prepped by Fisher to sell, sell, sell, because there's a big fat commission involved at the end of the sale. Were these sales reps brokers? or licensed by the SEC, or just plain old fashioned sales reps authorized by Fisher to sell his services? If yes, then it's the sales reps we should be suing, individually, and not Fisher. So today I phoned my attorney and suggested that I pursue a lawsuit against Ursula, our Fisher sales rep, and Nothern California Fisher VP, according to her business card == married to a Dr (guess there's lots of money there) who lives in a community not far from where we live, who told us, quote: "I guarantee that in a year you will be so happy you went with Fisher Investments"!! Ursula, may regret her comments or the fact she ever worked for or sold us on Fisher Investments.
Suing Fisher Investments employees
My understanding is that suing individual employees in a civil proceeding would be rather tough. Even if you name individual employees in your lawsuit, you will still have to fight the company. This is because employers must generally indemnify their employee, unless that employee "acts outside the scope of his or her employment responsibilities, or with malicious purpose, in bad faith, or in a wanton or reckless manner." And on the outside chance that you do succeed in wining a lawsuit against an employee who was acting maliciously, there would still be the issue of collecting from him or her.
I was thinking, however, that if enough people get threatened with SLAPP suits and complain about them to the US Department of Justice, they could get interested in prosecuting Ken Fisher personally on RICO violations.
Fisher Investments
Jake...you need to remember I'm a born and bred Scot. We were born to fight!!!! Remember Braveheart.......FREEDOM!!! If Ken Fisher wants to try and take me to court, be my guest. There are all kinds of laws in the the State of California to protect the elderly from fraud and malfeasance. Let's start with Elder Abuse (where I recently saved and protected one of my elderly friends from a financial scam, where I had to contact the District Attorney on the issue) the District Attorney in Sacramento has a separate unit for that; the California State Attorney General - Mr Moonbeam himself, Jerry Brown is also not happy with the investment world, and let's not forget my local Congressman, who lives just down the street from me, and my State Senator, who won election...all of whom I voted for. Yes Mr Ken Fisher, I think you should definitely bring a lawsuit against me for ....WHAT! Fisher Investments losing our life savings along with a zillion other elderly investors. I don't think our new President Barack Obama will be very happy with you.
Please contact me about Fisher Investments
I recently met with several Fisher Investments clients and would like to hear from more about there experience. I am trying to determine if Fisher Investments used stop losses or indicated to clients in some type of written form the maximum drawdown that would occur in there accounts. I believe I may be able to help them recover some of there investment. Please contact me at tewplanman@yahoo.com
Fisher Investments: 43 per cent loss
I started working with the private client group in 02 when I was assured that they could get me out of the market to avoid major losses at times like these. Now that I have lost 43 per cent of my savings for retirement they want to send me a book on Ken's recommendations for getting rich. It should start with not putting my money with him.
Fisher Ivestments
Ken Fisher and his team took me for a ride. I bought into his company hook line and sinker. And I mean sinker. 100's of thousands gone. Lear from me STAY AWAY.
Fisher Investments: Stop Loss
Fisher Investments Client Owner's Manual states: "We believe stop-loss strategies are incomplete and are inappropriate in actively managed portfolios."
Fisher Investments - England
Unlike some of fisher investment clients, I do not want to bring any action against Fisher Investment as I feel that when one invest in equities one has to accept the risks.however I do question Fisher Investment bullish attitude until the end.It is only on 26/09/2008 that I RECEIVED an e-mail from FI saying sorry it is a bear market we were wrong.Prior to that FI was
always bullish despise my reserves.Was FI only bullish with me? it may be that I misunderstood That is why I would like to be in contact with FI CLIENT FROM eNGLAND.If other people were to feel the same way FI London office could be contacted and our position known .It will be useful for FI AND FOR FISHER INVESTMENT 'S CLIENTS.I have of course contacted Fisher investment and they know my position.
Fisher Investments
Paul, I am a British/US citizen, dual nationality. Go onto www.iii.co.uk, a website for investors in the UK. They have listed Fisher Investments in their advertising. I was not aware that Fisher Investments had a company in the UK, until I did a search for them. Post a negative comment, because I intend to do so. It is my goal to ruin this company for undermining and losing the assets of those of us, mostly elderly and those ready to retire (heard of Elder Abuse, Ken Fisher???) who have worked hard our entire lives to save our money; who have not consumed or borrowed to excess and who have tried to invest our hard earned money so that we could have a good life in our retirement years. Ken Fisher, and Fisher Investments have destroyed the dreams and savings of thousands of his clients. Let's burn his ass....and make sure his Forbes ranking as a billionaire is reduced to bag boy at WalMart!!!!!!!!!!
Eileen Findlay
Fisher Investments
Add me to the list. I put in over 600k in April 2008, down about 50% now, on the promise that Ken would protect assets if the market got ugly......of course they have you sign a document to the effect that "I understand the risk". One question: Why didn't he take some profits in energy when it was obvious where things were headed. It seems that Ken Fisher had his head in the sand on all counts when it comes to the market.
Fisher Investments: Sue Your Investment Advisor?
So if you lose money during a market crash you get to sue your investment advisor?
Give me a break.
Sue your investment advisor
No-you dont, but if your investment advisors incured a larger drawdown or lost more money than you agreed to risk in your investment policy statement that should have been incorporated into your IA agrement with him you do. Thats why they have stop loss orders.
Fisher Investments: They Sued Me!
You Got That All Wrong! Not only did they loose me money, but when I fired them and wrote about them in my blog, they sued me! How ridiculous is that?!
Ken Fisher May be Very Wrong. Dangerously Wrong.
I think he was looking streight ahead towards the horizon and over it and missed driving streight into the Grand Canyon or rather the abyss. If the markets go too far over the cliff. securities in general could take the blame by the American and world public. Stocks might all get crushed by adverse legislations and nationalization programs set into motion by crowds of stock market loosers. The sentiments are dangerous at the moment and the psychology can whipsaw the paradyme of free market and minimal regulation. Governments look for an excuse to seize financial assets and they smell blood now more than ever. With bankers creating credit out of thin air, they looke pretty bad and government officials hungry for cash flow would love to take their places. Watch out these will prove to be dangerous times. Everything you thought you had can suddenly be lost. I really hope not but then I have seen the enviornmentalists in the USA turning the country into one big land crab. They want to do the same thing to industrial america. the warm and fuzzy social capitalists are really hungry now for quality possessions that give them enviable cash flow that used to belong to others. The popular rhetoric against free markets is going to turn into a chorus against past owners for the sake of hungry new ones.
This is gibberish!
This is gibberish! I think you need Psychiatric help!
Fisher's "active management" (AKA neglect) cost me nearly$500K
I trusted FI with my IRA and now I can not retire. They tout active management but everytime I asked for some action I was basically told I worried to much. Now my account is one half what it was in July. I have fired them but am looking for a class action law suit to join. Anybody got one?
Fisher Investments
Have you found a class action against Fisher yet?
Fisher Incompetence
Between May 15, 2008 and October 20, 2008 Fisher Investments lost more than 40% of my life saving. I finally had to pull out the remaining amount or risk losing the rest. The Fisher Investment's guy had to nerve to tell me that Fisher had done a good job for me!
I also started with FI in
I also started with FI in May 08. It has been devastating...
Most of the equities purchased were at 52 week highs during the huge run up in commodities. I was very skeptical after the losses mounted the first month in. I questioned the advisor constantly about repositioning the portfolio or at least to allow short positions to hedge. They stuck to the same global growth/peak oil story and led me to believe this was a temporary set back. There wan't any action taken. Now it's too late and I have lost more than half my initial investment. The whole point of signing on with FI was to have active management of my investments and most importantly, downside protection. That's what I was told to expect going into this agreement. There is no mechanism in place at FI to manage a clients portfolio in a volital market to mitigate losses.
Fisher Investments
Did they promise you that they would pull out of any bear market like they promised me?
Fisher Investments
Their documentation clearly stated that if they saw a bear market coming they would protect their client's portfolios by going to cash, bonds or something defensive. They did not do this when they should have in May '08. I guess Fisher was off somewhere writing his last book or touring around the country. He was wrong and admitted he was wrong. He greatly impacted my retirement. I guess billionaires don't care about the clients who made them all their money.
Fisher Investments: Claim to Fame!
That is their claim to fame! They tell everyone that. Now they simply say "well we missed this one... sorry... tough luck".
Fisher Investments
I'm looking for the same.
I gave them $603,000,00 - last time I looked, down at least 50%
Too many people with similar stories.
What can we do?
I began the transfer process to Vanguard and I am distrustful of FI.
Again - what can we do?
Fisher Investments Lawsuit
I've notified Brualdi Law firm in N.Y.
Fisher promised that they would pull out
of any large bear market. I'm down more
than 50%. And that is half of my cash
investment.
To me, the issue is the promise that they
would pull out of a bear market.
Bill
Fisher class action suit
I am getting in contact with some class action firms. What we need is enough people like us who have lost initial investment (not just profits) to attain critical mass. I have been blogging and emailing looking for them. Can you help?
Rowland
Fisher Class Action
Any advancement in the class action effort. Please contact samsunset@gmail.com
Interested in lawsuit against Fisher
Hi Rowland,
I'm interested in persuing a lawsuit against Fisher. What have you dug up?
Fisher Investments Lawsuit
I am interested too
Fisher Investments Lied
I too would like to join a class actions suit, they lied to us as well.
FI class action suit
Of course a class action suit would not have anything to do with clients losing their investments. There are no guarantees when it comes to the market, which is what every investment firm clearly states. However, in this case we were lied to. We were told if a bear market was on the horizon, our investments would be placed in a defensive position. We were told, and it is also in their publications, our money would be placed in cash, bonds or some other defensive investment. Ken Fisher said he made a mistake and did not take our investments defensive. I am not really sure why Ken Fisher did not go defensive. Why did everyone else see this coming?
Ken Fisher is a professional and was trusted with the life savings and futures of his investors, their children and grandchildren. There should be a great deal of responsibility that goes with all of the wealth and the position he was given by the investors.
Fisher Investments Lawsuit
I've lost over 50% of my original investment.
They promised that they would pull out of any
bear market.
Looking for a class action group. Did they say
they would pull out before a big bear market
when you signed up?
Bill
FISHER INVESTMENTS CLASS ACTION REPLY
I HAVE INVESTED WITH FISHER INVESTMENT IN THE UK AND LOST A LOT OF MONEY.I UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN ONE INVEST IN THE STOCK MARKET ONE TAKE RISKS BUT I FIND FISHER 'S BULLISH ATTITUDE UNTIL THE END OF SEPTEMBER QUESTIONABLE.I am with you.let me know what I CAN DO
Fisher Investment Class Action Suit
I think that there may be grounds for a class action suit against Fisher Investments if:
1) They provided the investor with written confirmation of the time frame needed by the investor (i.e., we need our money in two years) and
2) They failed to take any action to provide for an individualized adjustment based on your on the goal of your investment i.e, growth and income, growth, capital preservation, etc. given the market volatility experienced prior to October.
On the surface it appears that Fisher Investments did not attempt to make any adjustment based on the individual investors goal investment goal brokerage. I based this on Ken Fisher admitting he was sorry because he was too bullish.
I would like to find out if other Fisher clients found that their goals were ignored by Fisher Investments.
Please be aware that Ken Fisher has became extremely wealth on the advisor fees we have paid the brokerage.
The have deep pockets from which to hire high power legal counsel to fight any action.
Why not buy Berkshire and forget the noise?
I recently began to question my financial advisor's performance who works through Swabb with funds & ETF's...I'm getting very average results and I could get this kind of advise out of my monthly mutual fund news letter...Fisher Investments caught my eye and I interviewed their Sales representative...He was very well spoken and seemed to understand my issues...However, to "smooth"...Over the weekend, I read "The Warren Buffett Way"...The main question in my mind is: "why not dollar cost average into Berkshire and forget all the noise?"
Berkshire Hathaway Inc.?
There are two major reasons I would not invest everything in Berkshire Hathaway Inc.:
1. Warren Buffet is 78.
2. Berkshire Hathaway is heavily in insurance.



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